Toyota 86 sedan is still in the cards

"El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!" (lightningzone) 02/20/2014 at 08:45 • Filed to: None

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At least that's what BestCar Mag is saying in the latest scoop special, according to them, the car will get larger for added practicability, get a turbo, and a 4WD hybrid version, with in wheel electric motors.

They also mention Toyota's small FR car, that should arrive in 2016 or so. Toyota is considering a hatchback body, in the spirit of the AE86.

They are also dropping a crazy number for the next GT-R's power. 800 hp.

E30Joe drives a Subaru > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 02/20/2014 at 08:50

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Subaru should just make a BRZ STi already.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 02/20/2014 at 08:58

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I still maintain the healthiest way to keep that segment alive is competition. Plenty of nissan, chevrolet, ford, honda, VW, and other brands have diehard loyalists....For now. Reading about this group of small, fuel efficient but lightweight sports cars could get people excited about the segment and give us some choice while improving the cars as a whole.

My issue with the toyobaru sedan right now is, in my mind, it's pointless. The back seat can't get much bigger and much more room without making the car itself larger and heavier and then it would need more power and then it's competing with the higher powered pony cars that have a semi-useable rear seat already. Yes a bit of a slippery slope logic train there, but I seriously question how making a cramped coupe into a cramped sedan will boost sales. Just have a "more power" option or trim level for 2-3 grand more.

Then, wait for the IDX, the 130R, GT4, and others to come out to play. Hell, even the upcoming Alfa spider/Mazda miata could get some hype into this segment. Maybe some convertible versions would help too.

Bullitt417 > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 02/20/2014 at 08:58

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Interestingly enough, I see a lot of Mazdaspeed 3 in the render, mostly in the hood and front fenders. This is combined with the side of a WRX (Fender scoop) and the rear quarter panel of a Acura ILX. I know it is just a concept render, but I just thought the car combo was interesting.

BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 02/20/2014 at 09:01

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A sedan misses the point entirely.

It makes for an impractical sedan, and the sedan makes for a heavier chassis that dilutes handling.

FA20DIT or an EZ-family H6 is the next step, not extra side doors.

KnowsAboutCars > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 02/20/2014 at 09:05

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I don't think gt86 sedan would look very good. The Japanese coupe that deserved 4-door variant is Silvia S14.

Stupidru > BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. 02/20/2014 at 09:10

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Am I the only one who would welcome this? BMW seems to have figured out RWD sedans

BJ > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 02/20/2014 at 09:21

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Godzilla, you grew up to be so pretty!

I hope this is the new GT-R for real, 'cause it's very nice.

hethoughtofcars > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 02/20/2014 at 09:36

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None of this. What are you? A late 90's Pontiac?

That said, this would be fantastic addition to the line-up for me because I could actually justify it. An FR-S is on the top of my list of new cars, however, I have a six year old who seems determined to keep getting bigger and there just is not enough backseat for him in the current FR-S.

Tekamul > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 02/20/2014 at 09:37

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Mega crack pipe.

A lot of the engineering in the GT86 was centered around keeping it low. Making a really low sedan still won't be very practical. If they want a sporty Toyota sedan, they're better off starting with the Lexus IS platform and cutting $$ from it.

Same goes for the hybrid AWD idea. That blows the budget way out the window, and explodes the curb weight. So it's something better kept for the upcoming Supra.

I still think the most likely variant is a turbo option, then maybe a ragtop. Everything else is so far out there, they would need to be selling 100,000 a year to consider it.

Dsscats > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 02/20/2014 at 09:44

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Am I the only person who thinks this whole thing is just sort of a wish list?

RazoE > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 02/20/2014 at 10:01

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No that doesn't look like a Hyundai Genesis at all...oh wait. IT DOES.

Nerd-Vol > KnowsAboutCars 02/20/2014 at 10:17

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S15. That was such a pretty car.

Jayhawk Jake > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 02/20/2014 at 10:26

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I've said it before but it bears repeating: A GT-86 sedan would be terrible.

The car is too small to make a reasonable sedan, and too underpowered to be a whole lot of fun if it gets much heavier. Not to mention the price, if the coupe already starts around $25,000, how much would that sedan cost? $30k?

Would anyone really want to spend $30,000 on a 200hp Toyota (or Scion) sedan that's the size of a subcompact (like a Sonic or Fiesta)?

No they would not, because that would be both a terrible value and a useless car.

KnowsAboutCars > Nerd-Vol 02/20/2014 at 11:05

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Oops, typing while thinking something else isn't a good idea.

BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. > Stupidru 02/20/2014 at 12:00

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Not a problem with RWD sedans.

But FT-86 is not the platform for that role.

IS250 6MT RWD already failed to gain sales 'traction', and the idiom is the same, and the performance stats are almost identical... counting for Lexus standard features, the price tag was even in line, from FRS to BRZ Limited, to IS250 RWD 6MT. It was similarly under-powered, under-sized, but RWD, independent suspension, and a manual gearbox.

It didn't sell. IS350 sold a little better due to having more power, but the rear seat was still largely un-useable, and most Lexus buyers went with more appropriately sized GS RWD or ES FWD sedans, because sedans are a practical choice, more than a performance-first choice.

My previous 2005 Legacy GT was criticized as a mid-sized car for being too small to be comfortable as a sedan... The only reason I didn't mind, is that I wanted it to be a coupe anyway... but Subaru didn't make an *AWD* manual turbo coupe. And they still don't.

Anybody who has a REAL use for a 4-door car wants to be able to use the rear seats.

That is why Lexus GS is the size that it is...

Econo-box compact and sub-compact sedans are a different story... and mostly because there is no need or call for an econo-box to be sporty in driving dynamics, or in looks... so why bother making it a coupe, and cutting it's demographic appeal.

But an FT-86 platform sedan would be in limbo.

Not an econo-box... an econo-box would be cheaper to sell and manufacture, as a FWD car, like Yaris or Corolla, or Subaru impreza.

Not a mid-size or larger sedan, so the rear seats would be cramped for teens or adults, and children fit just fine in larger sedans that can also accommodate adults on occasion as well.

Not practical for cargo or passenger accommodation in FT-86's size, even if a few inches are added to the wheelbase.

Any increase in size will dilute the handling of the car, which is supposed to be the POINT of the car.

A raised roof for acceptable headroom and a forward-shifted B-pillar will ruin the car's profile, either with a roof that is too high, proportionally, or a flat-spot in the middle of the roof, like the Porsche Panamera.

Without an increase in engine output, the additional weight will make the FT-86 even more under-powered than it already is. If more power is added, it should be added to the coupe.

There are other RWD sedans out there... choose one of them.

Frankly, sedans are bound to tradition, anyway. Most people who want real practicality, realize the superiority of having a hatch on the back of the car, rather than a small trunk lid, and I don't think they are going to turn FT-86 into a wagon or a CUV.

It is a compact RWD sport coupe. Leave it at that. Improve it at that role, first... before diluting it into something else it wasn't intended or designed to be.

Buy a sedan if you want a sedan.

Big Bubba Ray > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 02/20/2014 at 12:18

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The GT86 sedan kinda looks like a Panamara and I kinda like it. GET AT ME.

anothermiatafanboy > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 02/20/2014 at 17:20

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An orange Panamera...whoop-de-doo.